Excerpt from the 2007 Christopher Hitchens vs Alister Mcgrath debate. (sorry for the low volume) Full debate available here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U1b7Xgyq-Y Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criti... More
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BrianCameronTV Says:
haha oh poor sir..christianity doesn't fully agree with pascal's wager....the theory summarize think that if you choose to gain, you can gain ALL but if not, you lose nothing...Christianity totally states that if you sacrifice then you will gain.but if you choose not to believe, you'll lose EVERYTHING... basically people of "reason" need total proof and total evidence to believe in certain things, but there are things we have EVERYDAY that still cant be explained but we have FAITH that it's real
childofreason Says:
so you reiterate a point that has been whole heartedly destroyed? I don't see the point in that. since you obviously didn't understand that I was telling you exactly why and how what you said falls down, the whole point that you are trying to make is called "pascals wager" and has been utterly obliterated by many different people. seriously, look up "pascals wager debunked" and read it until you understand why it is laughable as an excuse for your religion.
BrianCameronTV Says:
I'll reiterate what I said before, it ALL comes down to Faith, every religion (which atheism is a belief that there is no supernatural power "god" in any way. Which the practice of a belief is a religion ) believes their theories are right, but NONE can prove it. Christians aren't here to argue. According to Atheism christians have NOTHING to worry about ....sooo yeah
childofreason Says:
you are using pascals wager, I see. it really is too flimsy to still be around. it is a false dichotomy that doesn't consider any religion other than christianity or that there is exactly the same chance of there being a god that punishes faith as there is of any other "god". In short, a laughable effort that is for some reason considered to be the height of theistic thought
perdondaris Says:
The purpose of religion is to justify the actions of a criminal, stupid and irresponsible ruling class. That is why every religious country is backward, authoritarian and corrupt. Since God doesn't exist you can't have a pure theocracy (literally God-rule) but theocratic laws are made to justify the folly and greed of stupid rulers.
jehovahuponyou Says:
WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CHOOSING OF OUR BIRTH ANYWAY, ORIGINAL SIN AND SIN NATURE BE DAMNED! NONE OF US CHOOSE OUR RACE, OUR GENDER, OUR PARENTS, OUR HEALTH, OUR HAIR COLOR, OUR EYE COLOR, OUR DATE OF BIRTH, ETC - SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE WERE THRUST INTO THIS WORLD WITHOUT ANY INPUT ON OUR PART! SO, IF WE REINTRODUCE "ORIGINAL SIN AND SIN NATURE" BACK INTO THE EQUATION, WHAT DOES IT CHANGE "AS FAR AS OUR BIRTH CHOICES" - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING - FOR WE HAVE "NO" CHOICE IN BIRTH!
BrianCameronTV Says:
BottomLine: ATHEIST WHY ARE YOU PRESSING THIS ISSUE SO BAD...if atheism is right, then Christians HAVE nothing to worry about...right??? there's no one to answer to, what's the point of arguing if Christians are ignorant to your belief (which it is a belief) but what if (and i mean what if) Christians are Actually right...just saying..technically, you the Atheist have more to worry about than a Christian..
Pinochimon Says:
BTW if you don't like it. Well, then don't move to Japan, keep in YOUR country, also you could commit seppuku ( just don't brag about it, because I want to be the first one in a while to do such a thing) also invite your crazy assbackwards religious friends to help you.
Pinochimon Says:
Also, I have the right to call you a fucking bitch, a moron, and harrass you as much as I want to about you and your stupid beliefs. This would needs a wake up call, those that believe in a religion need to see it as what it is, nothing but fairy tales. What the religious need to treat this cancer as, is just a terrible book like twilight. God doesn't exist, and your "book" is nothing but terrible stories that wouldn't pass off as a good read in this day and age.
Pinochimon Says:
They're fairy tales. Do you believe, everything that happens in that comic? YES it nothing more than a cartoon pamphlet/ graphic comic. The bible is just a bunch of fairy tales. Also, LEARN SPELLING AND GRAMMAR YOU FUCKING BITCH. When I get my death note, you're first on the list to die. Along with anyone that believes in ANY religion. You will all be dead by morning. BTW, I have right to say this shit. Religion is not an ethnicity, so I can treat you like shit if I want to. Deal with it.
twiistaaa Says:
by sheer numbers it is growing (because the population is growing), but as a percentage of the entire population it is shrinking. both non-belief and islam are growing at faster rates than christianity.
proselyte0 Says:
i dispute yr assertion that xtianity is "in decline"....it's stronger now than it ever was because there is so much evidence to support it......evangelical-type churches are mushrooming in size because they provide answers for people...main-stream churche, OTOH, are in decline because, generally, they have compromised the Word of God!
proselyte0 Says:
lots of people brag abt how "they don't fear death" but......it's usually a different story on their death-beds!......there are, also, enough contemporary accounts of horrible NDEs to make even the most hardened cynic very fearful indeed! "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Mtthw 10:28
proselyte0 Says:
sry...there's *no* "fairy stories" in the Bible.....but.....there's plenty in today's culture....like....for instance: "evolution".....Hitchens was certainly smarter than the average punter...most of whom have only a high school or, maybe, a vocational-technical-type education....he also had two, contempary witnesses to the truth of Christianity....his own brother and Anthony Flew, the former renowned atheist, who became a believer in God some-time before his death, abt a year before Hitchens' !
proselyte0 Says:
check out the following Chick tract......."The Great One"......@ chick (.) com ...... CH to God: "but!...but!....i thought the Bible was wrong.....i didn't know!" God to CH: "My Word is true from the beginning.....you had the entire apparatus of the modern communications system to look into that....there are many infallible proofs! you wilfully chose not to believe! case dismissed! take him away! next!" CH now....... spiritlessons (.) com
proselyte0 Says:
you can trust Almighty God's word, the Bible, because it's true and has been proven so over and over again......you can't trust "fairy tales" because they're false! plenty of evidence for the truth of Scripture....all over the web.......!Google! it......Romans 1:20 says you'll have no excuse when you appear before Almighty God for judgement.....and that might be TONIGHT!.....Mr Hitchens thought he was "smart"...but.....he ain't so smart now!
proselyte0 Says:
"All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works" 2Ti 3:16-17 "God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" Nmbrs 23:19
proselyte0 Says:
"the fool has said in his heart: there is no God!" Pslm 14:1 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble" James 2:19
proselyte0 Says:
C S Lewis wrote an excellent book on just this subject....i think, from memory, it's called "On Miracles"
proselyte0 Says:
they're not impossible for God, Who created the physical Universe and the laws that govern it; therefore, He can over-ride/supersede those physical laws any time He chooses.....or, utiliise/speed them up to suit His purposes!.....also.....there are innumerable accounts of miracles today such as miraculous healings &c.....!Google! it...
proselyte0 Says:
he sounds like Richard Dawkins.....good presentation, diction and appearance.....but.....nothing of any real substance....oh......eh......he asks: "is it moral ?" &c.....so.....how can an "atheist" have *any* moral frame of reference?.......on what basis does he define "morality" ?
proselyte0 Says:
"the forbidden fruit" as commonly believed is some-what of a mis-understanding.....read the Book of Enoch/Book of Jubilees and the Lost Books of Eden to get a better under-standing of the Genesis account.....also: !Google! 'Patrick Heron' and 'nephilim'......another good site: earlychristianwritings (dot) com
proselyte0 Says:
guess he knows the truth now, eh?!?.......interesting that his brother (David?) is a devout Christian!
Musicality26 Says:
Looking back, I probably said too much. I say all the time people who read all the comments on youtube videos are stupid, and then I go and post four comments at once! The irony . . . .
Musicality26 Says:
Death is like a competition. You have to wait and see, "Oh, did the Muslims win? Did the Atheists win? Did the Hindus win? Or did the Christians?" Then you have things like, "Did the Baptists win, or did the Catholics?