George Carlin on Religion and God

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May 26, 2012
bermudaguy1 Says:
I'm so sorry you were offended at my comment, I didn't know you were so sensitive. Do you have proof that a snake spoke to Eve? Do you have proof that JC was born of a virgin? Do you have proof that he healed the sick and turned water into wine....and then walked on water. Do you have proof that he was raised after 3 days? Without the obvious bias of the bible, can you prove any of this?

May 26, 2012
larrycastle Says:
Waiting for what? Btw, should I be calling you Buckwheat? What's with the "spanky" stuff? Is it supposed to position you as the knowing teaching waiting to school the naive Christian? Drop the show and let's address the topics; that is, unless you're unsure you will be able to actually speak to the issues without all the ad hominem nonsense.

May 26, 2012
bermudaguy1 Says:
We're waiting, spanky!

May 26, 2012
larrycastle Says:
typo correction: "No I am offering" should say, "Now I am offering"

May 26, 2012
larrycastle Says:
"I'm talkin about answering my question" You asked three and I answered all three: "Yes, yes, and yes." No I am offering the proof to the most fundamental of them. Would you like me to do that or do you prefer to grand stand? If you would like me to proceed with the proof, I would ask that you please answer as to whether or not you believe that laws of logic exist.

May 26, 2012
imawhack Says:
compare clothing !!!!! hahaha!

May 26, 2012
bermudaguy1 Says:
I'm talkin about answering my question....shouldn't be too difficult for you. I'm just getting warmed up, it may get more difficult. Just do your best. Let me break it down. Do you believe the bible to be the word of god? I'm trying to work with you, but you need to prepare some answers as they relate to your beliefs and what they are based on. Lets go!!

May 26, 2012
larrycastle Says:
What are you talking about? I am offering the proof for which you asked. Are you willing to answer the question in order to proceed?

May 26, 2012
bermudaguy1 Says:
And you feel that this bit of information, proves what? Do you think we as a society would not figure out how to live with one another without the invention of a god? Your god starts with good ole fashioned story telling by bronze age people who were ignorant and frieghtened. They believed the sun was 21 miles away and that god must be, because they didn't understand anything that we know today. You have no proof, therefore, we are through. Here endeth the 1st lesson!

May 26, 2012
pyrocolada Says:
Whole Bible can be summarised in: Love your neighbour as yourself... so how open is this really to interpretation? In what definition of love? Tolerance? Acceptance? Respect? Encouragement? Selflessness? First you have to understand love, and how to apply it to yourself. It is *per definition* not something that you can "blindly" follow, sir. With regards to proof of God - all of science is founded on philosophy. Science starts small, religion starts big, same topic. Gödel's proofs point to God

May 26, 2012
bermudaguy1 Says:
No, you will answer the question as best you can!

May 25, 2012
larrycastle Says:
I'll take it a step at a time to keep us on point. Here's the first step: Before I attempt to provide a logical proof, I need to confirm that you actually believe that laws of logic exist. Logical proof would be irrelevant to someone who denies that laws of logic exist.

May 25, 2012
larrycastle Says:
"Well, good luck with that." Check. You have totally ignored the glaring problems I have pointed out with your position. Good enough. "do you believe the bible is correct in its moral teachings and do you think god exists as well as JC?" Yes, yes, and yes. In light of the character limit, let's take one topic at a time. I'll start with the most fundamental (which I have already stated briefly): proof that God exists.

May 25, 2012
bermudaguy1 Says:
Well, good luck with that. But back to the real issues, do you believe the bible is correct in its moral teachings and do you think god exists as well as JC? If you do, please provide evidence and I will take a look. Otherwise, we are through because the whole idea of the original theme was not about what I thought per se, but whether or not the bible can be trusted to be an accurate representation of good moral teachings for millions of people to blindly follow. You now prove to me, evidence!

May 25, 2012
larrycastle Says:
"I am not contradicting myself with respect to morality." Ok. I believe it is apparent to anyone who reads your contradictory statements but you can deny it if you like. "society has advanced moral behavior" If it is constantly changing and there is no unchanging standard, then to say it is "advancing" is nonsense. It may be changing but change and improvement are not the same thing. "the bible is ...flawed as a guide for christians" Saying is not the same as demonstrating it.

May 25, 2012
bermudaguy1 Says:
I am not contradicting myself with respect to morality. The bible as a toll for instructing it's followers with respect to morals fails miserably based on the fact that it is gods word and eternal. My personal morality is neither here nor there, but at large, society has advanced moral behavior in spite of biblical teachings! Isolating my personal understanding is irrelevant, the bible is without question, flawed as a guide for christians.

May 25, 2012
larrycastle Says:
Notice that I do not say, "Atheists cannot be moral, logical or use science." They do all of those in spite of the fact that logic, science, and morality do not make sense according to their worldview (metaphysical naturalism). The reason that you keep contradicting yourself with respect to morality is because of your philosophical pre-committment to naturalism which you know to be in conflict with reality. You are simply unwilling to admit the contradiction.

May 25, 2012
larrycastle Says:
"You have no proof, there is no god, end of story!" Your irrationality and self-refuting moral theory are elements of my proof. The proof that God exists is that logic, science, and morality do not make sense without Him. You are demonstrating this right now with respect to morality.

May 25, 2012
larrycastle Says:
"Morality is an individual choice." Does that include everyone? If everyone has their own morality, please explain how the following accusation makes sense: "The bible very specifically endorses behavior that is not the teachings of a moral god." I'm not sure how I can make your self-contradiction anymore clear for you.

May 25, 2012
bermudaguy1 Says:
Morality is an individual choice. The bible very specifically endorses behavior that is not the teachings of a moral god. To me it proves the bible is a made up bunch of story's of that time by men and nothing more! There are too many examples of how ridiculous and mean spirited this god of the bible is. You have no proof, there is no god, end of story!

May 25, 2012
larrycastle Says:
I just proved that your position on morality is self refuting. I simply quoted your statements back (in sequence even) and you make a point and then refute it. Don't you see that you are debating yourself? There are several points that I would argue but this one is so glaring I think that it is a waste of time to go further if you don't even see this one.

May 25, 2012
bermudaguy1 Says:
You are incorrect! BTW, Why not prove something too!

May 25, 2012
paolofilo Says:
I don't believe in the christian God even if I'm a son of the typical christian society (and family). I started thinking with my own head since I was a boy and that's how we should grow inside faith in something. certainly not by reading the word of a book written by others. spirituality doesn't necessarily comes with religion (in fact that may as well be destructive to it). religions, most of them, are just wrong in their doings and always has caused problems to humans. we should evolve a bit.

May 25, 2012
paolofilo Says:
religion as we conceive it is a product (of humans) belonging to distant days, but still appealing to some. science has taken religion place in our days. and this doesn't mean we shouldn't have faith in something, believing in an idea or in whatever else is different from what religion is, an institution, based on a book (written by MANKIND) that is being misunderstood and taken too seriously since the first centuries. I don't say God doesn't exist. I say our faith should come from our inside.